--- Page Below Partly
Obsolete ---Obsolete in that there
are many refererences to Majordomo, & Berklix now
instead which is far easier for users, but as there's
still the odd fool who wastes their time trying to
waste the time of event announcers & lists owners
to do [un]subscribe requests, this page and Section retained for them:
Do NOT Mail Subscription Requests To server
They Are Deleted Unseen By server admin's Spam
Do It Yourself !!
Do Your Own Address Additions, Deletions, &
Mail Majordomo Your
Subscription Change Request !
Try Majordomo it's quick
& easy !Read the Introduction first if you want; Or
jump straight in & Try It.
You may need a few goes before you succeed, or you
may prefer to read the Introduction first.
Too Lazy To Try Majordomo A Few Times ?Some are so lazy they won't
even try Majordomo a few
times & engage their brain. Instead they mail
server admin wanting to waste his time. A waste of
theirs ! Their mail gets deleted automatically,
unanswered, by his spam filter, he never even sees
their request, & their subscription remains
Do No Not Waste Your Time Asking server admin To
Waste His Time Too !
Still Clueless After Trying Majordomo A Few Times ?Try
Majordomo several times
And engage your brain - hard, think
logically even if mostly you prefer to think
intuitively Analyse Majordomo
results with a friend. Think, Try again !
If You Finally Consider Yourself
IncompetentBuy some friend (Not server admin) or
colleague a beer or cake to offer advice or hold your
hand while you or they use Majordomo for you. Spread the load !
Ask someone else for advice ! Consider buying any
"Internet For Dummies" book that has a section
covering use of mail lists. Consider signing up for
Internet night classes.
For any who refuse or are incapable of getting
advice from others on how to "Do It Yourself" -
server admin won't waste his free time for such
people, they must pay with their time & money,
as a deterrent to discourage more people from being
also tempted to waste server admin's time !
- Go to a [German] bank:
- Pick up a preprinted transfer form for the
"Rotes Kreuz" (Red Cross, Red Crescent, ICRC) or
Oxfam or Artze Ohne Gernzen (Doctor Without
Borders) as recipient.
- Fill in Betrag/Amount as 10 (Ten) Euros,
- Fill in Verwendungs- Zweck as: Your human
name & email address - spell it Very clearly,
make sure its the address to be added to or
deleted from list, not some other older or newer
- Pay Red Cross or Oxfam at your bank.
- Get your bank to stamp it as paid.
- Post original receipt (not some scan that can
be faked) in a stamped addressed envelope to
server admin, his address may be in phone book,
yes Work yourself!.
- OR - Instead of wasting time searching for it
Use Majordomo instead
- Beg for permission to hand to server admin or
garden organiser member at any announced
event they happen to attend. Wait for them to
give to server admin when we happen to meet.
Don't try to obligate server admin or others to
attend/ not be late/ not leave early, just
because you want a time wasting manual un
- Wait a long time till server admin finally
gets round to wasting his time, un-subscribing
you manually !
Comply precisely with the above. Any deviation
will result in server admin Not wasting his time
un-subscribing someone by hand.
- Do not claim to have paid a charity & not
got a receipt, your problem, you won't be
- Do Not pay 10 Euro to server admin's account.
He will NOT unsubscribe for that (& will not
give bank details), & will not do anything
server admin does Not want anyone thinking he
wants money for [un]subscribing, He doesn't ! He
just does not want people stealing his time any
- Do not give server admin 10 Euros cash, he
will not accept it ! You Fill out form & You
pay a charity at bank. No, server admin will Not
provide you a form! You waste Your time doing
- Server or list admin requires a signed
original receipted form for 10 EU paid to a
charity as above, physically in his/her hand,
before he/she will consider wasting his/her time
un-subscribing people by hand, which is
completely un-necessary ! Use Majordomo, Don't wast server
admin's time, your time, & your money !
Do NOT Mail server admin About Subscriptions
- Many people's `Just Want' requests were
flooding server admin !
- Each individual subscription change might
previously have not taken server admin long, but
there are hundreds of people on numerous mail lists
who used to periodically mail server admin
- All lists now have numerous subscribers who
have successfully used Majordomo. Get one of them, or
someone else who can think logically, to help share
the load. Get them to teach you Majordomo . server admin _runs_
Majordomo & numerous
other services, which is enough work in itself,
& leaves no time to educate & hand hold all
individual subscribers (hence he wrote the Majordomo web page.
- In addition to doing subscription changes, the
previous presence of a human rather than a computer
program also attracted extra time consuming mail on
related subjects, now also avoided by use of
- server admin has too many friends on the lists
to even be able to help personal friends
unfortunately, let alone others.
- server admin has given too much time for too
many years running lists etc manually.
- There are now more ever more lists, &
- server admin invested more time installing the
robots. It would be the height of folly to now not
use them, & let the clueless & lazy
continue to burden & deprive server admin of
time, instead of making them finally take personal
responsibility to maintain their own list
- It's unfair to attempt to deprive server admin
of his time, just because some are too lazy or
clueless to try to use the robots.
- It's unfair to everyone else too, to deprive
server admin of time better spent developing extra
functionality later useful to all.
- server admin is a freelance, there is no
distinction between `working hours' & `leisure
time', there's just `screen time', & he spends
too much time in front of the computer as it is,
& has no screen time to waste.
No More Free Help !
- server admin will Not waste time giving any
help for any subscription task the robot programs can also do, regardless if
your request is via personal mail, list mail,
phone, fax, or in person). If you'r too lazy or
clueless to use the robots, that's
your problem, not his, he is Not paid to support
all the people on all the lists, in particular not
the large number of lazy &/or clueless on
certain lists. Some personal solutions are
- Majordomo is pretty
trivial to use, after you've tried it a few times,
& given responses a bit of thought.
- Do It Yourself ! Please Use The
Robots, as it says on every mail footer
What server admin Still Does
- Organise Events for clubs using the lists
- Run the servers (the net computers)
- Run the Majordomo
- Run the Mail Lists
- Enhance (time permitting) extra infra structure
to benefit all subscribers. EG more web
Truly Exceptional CircumstancesIn Truly
Exceptional Circumstances, exception may be made, but
Not for all the merely lazy or clueless who want to
waste server admin's time. To discourage the lazy
& clueless from presenting themselves as
exceptional, the following mandatory pre-conditions
apply, in this order only, before any action will be
That may take months ! Go do it yourself, Free
- Wait to happen to meet server admin at some
- Offer to buy him a beer if he really believes
your case is truly exceptional.
- Buy beer
- Wait again till he remembers to act on the
The above completely excludes anyone asking server
admin to do manual subscribes & un-subscribes
now, with vague offers to buy him a beer later
sometime. The double deterrent of making you wait,
& consuming your money is intended as deliberate
encouragement to Try Majordomo!
Now ! & is Not a scheme to get server admin
free beer: server admin does not want to consume
_your_ free beer. server admin does not want you to
consume _his_ free time.
No one gets any help or response, unless they at
least provide substantial proof of repeated sequences
of attempts at self help, including proven self
analysis of Majordomo
responses (by which stage people don't need to ask
for help, - they have almost always analysed
sufficiently, & succeeded themselves !).
Use your intelligence - Go use Majordomo Thanks !
Only Contact List Owners If :
documentation, defines the correct addresses for
Only Contact Majordomo Owner If :
documentation, defines the correct addresses for
- There is some problem the list owner cannot
- There is some technical (not philosophical or
- There is a configuration or run time error with
- You are a skilled Unix admin / BSD person,
& are reccomending syntax correction for an
erroneous majordomo config.
Only Contact server admin If:
- You realise subscription requests are deleted
automatically as spam.
- You want to Phone
order Purchase Of Computer Consultancy.
(Best phone, email may get lost in over a hundred
spams server admin gets every day). To discuss a
short or long, local or remote contract, or to
arrange pre payment for a few short hours, on/off
site, via phone or net-remote or on site, please
- You're contacting for social reasons, nothing
to do with your mail list subscription or ski
booking etc ? OK